The wage gap I'm talking about is taking into account different jobs.
My point is, that even if people perform differently (say a male/female weight lifter or soccer player), they should earn the same if the difference is due to gender. The average woman should earn the same as the average men. In my eyes, women are just as valuable as men. Not that they are literally equal.
In the case of the US national soccer teams, at one time the women's team famously earned less than the men would have, if the men had been equally successful (which they were not). This was not sexism, nor a lack of fan interest: it was because the women, who had been offered the same pay deal as the men, chose an alternative pay structure that offered greater financial security but less upside for winning. An irony - not often noticed - is that not only would the women have earned more if they had picked the pay structure the men chose, but also the men would have earned more if they had picked the pay structure the women chose! This is because the women were very successful, but didn't benefit much from it because they had picked a more secure pay structure; the men, on the other hand, picked a pay structure that gave little security but a big upside for success, but were not very successful.)
I understand, and I believe this is unfair. I believe we should strive for equality. If nature doesn't treat us equally, we should compensate with laws, so that it doesn't matter for a child to be born a boy or a girl.
I value competence. I just think the most competent man should not earn more than the most competent woman. And that goes both ways, of course. Please refrain from attacking me as a person but try to convince me with arguments. We're looking for the truth, right, not simply winning online arguments?
Females can't beat males at sports, so they are incompetent.
Look, I like female sports as ways to teach teamwork and drive to children and teenagers. I don't pretend they are objectively entertaining to anyone but parents.
My point is that it should not matter there's a difference in competence for some things for the different genders, we as a society should compensate for it. Just like you should listen to your boss/teacher/parents even if you're stronger than them.
Free individuals freely compensate people for things they want. That's what got us where we are. The Soviets subsidized sports teams for national glory and they couldn't keep their grocery stores stocked.
The wage gap I'm talking about is taking into account different jobs.
My point is, that even if people perform differently (say a male/female weight lifter or soccer player), they should earn the same if the difference is due to gender. The average woman should earn the same as the average men. In my eyes, women are just as valuable as men. Not that they are literally equal.
The reason female soccer players dont make as much as male players is that there isn't the same level of fan interest.
For tennis, I think they make basically the same. Because the fan interest is basically the same.
I would bet the same is true for weight lifter...neither make much of anything because there is no fan interest (maybe endorsements?).
That parenthetical is why Anna Kournikova made more money than you would expect for her ranking.
All of which says that it is a lot more complicated than talent. Or talent and sex.
In the case of the US national soccer teams, at one time the women's team famously earned less than the men would have, if the men had been equally successful (which they were not). This was not sexism, nor a lack of fan interest: it was because the women, who had been offered the same pay deal as the men, chose an alternative pay structure that offered greater financial security but less upside for winning. An irony - not often noticed - is that not only would the women have earned more if they had picked the pay structure the men chose, but also the men would have earned more if they had picked the pay structure the women chose! This is because the women were very successful, but didn't benefit much from it because they had picked a more secure pay structure; the men, on the other hand, picked a pay structure that gave little security but a big upside for success, but were not very successful.)
I understand, and I believe this is unfair. I believe we should strive for equality. If nature doesn't treat us equally, we should compensate with laws, so that it doesn't matter for a child to be born a boy or a girl.
The market isn't fair its an efficient arbiter of human preferences.
Such unfairness gave us modernity.
I value competence. I just think the most competent man should not earn more than the most competent woman. And that goes both ways, of course. Please refrain from attacking me as a person but try to convince me with arguments. We're looking for the truth, right, not simply winning online arguments?
Females can't beat males at sports, so they are incompetent.
Look, I like female sports as ways to teach teamwork and drive to children and teenagers. I don't pretend they are objectively entertaining to anyone but parents.
My point is that it should not matter there's a difference in competence for some things for the different genders, we as a society should compensate for it. Just like you should listen to your boss/teacher/parents even if you're stronger than them.
"we as a society should compensate for it"
No way comrade!
Free individuals freely compensate people for things they want. That's what got us where we are. The Soviets subsidized sports teams for national glory and they couldn't keep their grocery stores stocked.
I was hoping for a more rational discussion instead of name calling... Even if we don't agree.
Forcing people to pay for things they don't want because it gives you good feels is not rational.