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Benjamin Todd's avatar

> Betting aside, if you really thought the world was likely to end, you should be going into massive debt, secure in the knowledge that you won’t have to repay it. But almost no AI doomster — EA or otherwise — does so. I know, they’ve got just-so stories about why they’re not playing the obvious strategy given their stated beliefs. The best explanation, however, is that their stated beliefs are mere lip service.

This seems only obviously true if you think the probability of doom is very high (80%+?). Most people concerned with AI safety think the risk is more in the 10-30% range. That might justify a slightly greater-than-typical rate of spending, but not going into massive debt.

Some of the non-doom scenarios could involve massive investment returns and the invention of new goods (but lower employment income), which could all suggest saving *more* than typically makes sense.

The overall effect of AI on how much to spend vs. save seems unclear and pretty sensitive to the probability you put on different scenarios.

Michael Wall's avatar

Bryan, despite his wisdom, is sadly mistaken on animal welfare. He and I would agree that insect welfare is nonobvious, but we would also agree that it is a logical corollary of the wrongness of torturing dogs for fun. I think ‘it is evil to torture a dog for fun because of harm to the dog’ is more obvious than ‘insects never deserve moral consideration.’ Frankly, I think many people would move toward this position just by looking at zoomed-in pictures of bees. They have faces, just like us.

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