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Bryan, your open borders stance is probably the most reckless and evil belief you have, and nothing else is a close second. It's easily the most evil mainstream idea I can think of today.

This has already been covered before.

https://www.econlib.org/archives/2014/07/open_borders_an_3.html

Your assertion that Borjas remains unaware or willfully ignorant of the political and cultural effects of immigration is unconvincing.

I think it's obvious at this point that mass immigration of low IQ third worlders tends to make the first world more like the third world. If you ever succeeded in your vision of Open Borders, it would per Borjas calculation destroy rather than create trillions of dollars in value, as the stability and productivity of the first world collapsed to third world levels. In fact it might well be worse than that, as even third world productivity levels rely intensely on being able to leach off the first worlds productivity and technological progress.

What is most ironic of all is that the real problem with the third world is the genetics of third worlders. Per Hive Mind, the IQ of those around you matters more than your own. If genetic engineering ever fixes the third worlds IQ problem, they can just stay in place and get rich. The most likely place to invent such genetic engineering is the first world. Probably the most likely thing to destroy the first worlds advancement towards that outcome is flooding it with so many third worlders that its society collapses before it gets there.

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I would view the "productivity gain" of a third worlders moving to the first world as "capital consumption". Imagine a car with a full gas tank. Somebody is walking along the sidewalk and hijacks the car. They are now getting to their destination faster, but eventually the car runs out of gas. They leave it on the side of the road to rot. They were never any faster, they just used up someone else's capital, capital they failed to build or maintain. After all, if they were capable of building a maintaining capital, they would already have it in their host country.

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I can't help but think that Bryan is unwilling to fully engage this problem in a not-superficial manner.

I would suggest to at least consider this as an instance of Pascal's wager. If you are right and we close the borders, we will be getting richer at a somewhat slower rate. If Emil is right and we open the borders, the western civilization will be over. Wanna bet on these stakes?

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