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John Smith's avatar

I don't know how many other people feel this way. But I don't really think of the authorities that way. I simply do as I please, to maximise my utility. If the authorities get in my way, then I try to navigate as best as I can to still maximise my outcome.

Whether their power is legitimate or otherwise isn't really relevant to me; what matters is the practical exercise of whatever power that they may possess to hinder me.

I am not a serial killer or anything. I meant like for compulsory after-school clubs back in high school days, compulsory "volunteering" in those high school days, office politics at work, tax management as an adult earner, mundane everyday matters like that. The side I support is my side.

Chartertopia's avatar

One thing I have never seen addressed regarding Milgram's experiment is whether the lab subjects, the one thinking they are inflicting pain, actually *do* think so. I have never paid a lot of attention to Milgram, maybe I've missed something. But I have tried to imagine myself approached by some professor or grad student asking me to sign up for an experiment for some nominal pay. When told my turning a dial inflicts pain on the experimental subject, my attitude would be that whatever happens, the subject must have agreed to it, that the whole process is kosher, because professors and grad students just don't go around shocking other students against their will for research.

It's sort of the same for people who object that R-rated movies or even porn objectify women (why never the men?). I've never seen any movie where I thought, "Oh heck, they're actually raping that poor women! Someone call the cops and get her out of there!"

You have to assume people have agency. Maybe some porn is so realistic that it could be mistaken for real criminals raping real women against their will. I am not up on the latest in porn realism or rape snuff films or whatever they would be called.

Back to Milgram ... I could easily imagine myself going along, on the assumption anything happening is part of the experiment and everyone involved is a voluntary participant. It would never occur to me that any fool grad student or professor would actually set up an experiment which would hurt people, let alone potentially kill them.

I have never believed the results have any relation to real people in most real circumstances.

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