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I completely agree, but I think it's fair to ask: is the immigration the problem or is it the way the government handled it (welfare to immigrants, not penalizing bad apples, etc)?

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It's not a few bad apples. It's the destruction of the society by destroying its population.

Immigration, all of it from legal to illegal, is the problem. Open borders is the quickest way to destroy a society. That's why libertardians like Bryan Caplan oppose it for Israel.

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I never said that. We probably both agree they would do a terrible job.

But that then means the problem is in fact the government, not immigration inherently.

And like this post suggests, there have been governments that handle immigration correctly, that's what we should aim for.

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As a latinamerican myself, I agree with you. You shouldn't want to become more like Latin America or Africa. You also definitely shouldn't want to become more like Europe.

I believe America is exceptional. I have mixed feelings about immigration. What I know for sure is that taking immigrants that want to join your country and make it better is one of the reasons America became the great country that it is today.

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People make a place. If you think importing tens of millions of peasants from Venezuela, Colombia, Peru and dumping them into the US won't turn the US into those places, then you're delusional.

That is what is happening.

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