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Data Framed's avatar

Bryan is right that libertarians can't really oppose open borders consistently, but vaguely libertarian conservatives can. The right-of-center view is Jeffersonian: in practice, a high degree of personal freedom is only stable in a republic of virtue where citizens freely forge bonds of trust and cooperation with each other in families, churches, organizations etc. For instance, a decent society can only get by without a welfare state if there is a privately-provided safety net by these mediating institutions. High rates of immigration cause anomie and destroy the mediating institutions.

That's the argument anyway. I think of it as the reason libertarianism doesn't work well in cities: when everyone lives cheek-by-jowl you just can't get along without specific rules for noise, bans on burning leaves, speed limits, bans on sleeping in libraries and parks, etc. unless people are sufficiently pro-social. If everyone does whatever they want and feels no duty to basic decorum, society becomes grubby and unpleasant.

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The mass immigration of low IQ clannish individuals who tend to support redistribution has ended poorly in every single place its been tried. It causes fiscal and economic strain, low trust outcomes across the board in the society, and make politics shift leftward and become more clannish and corrupt. Any honest account of this driven by data shows this.

Libertarians need to realize that demographics drive outcomes. Productive high IQ pro social demographics are the only ones that have ever been friendly to successful libertarian outcomes.

"Libertarians advocate for legalizing heroin with a welfare state in place."

This has been an utter disaster in every way and is being rejected across the country even in previously gung ho progressive areas.

This is a wierd hill to die on. Galt's Gulch is a bunch of high IQ prosocial white dudes making the best of themselves. Not a bunch of heroin addicted lumpenproletariat voting Democrat because they want to shit in the street.

P.S. Many libertarians support the right to life for unborn children. You extend maximum rights to one group and zero rights to another based on your mood affiliation and nothing more.

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