Impressive comments. I'm impressed, at least. Societies don't go from 30 MPH to over 100 in seconds - rounding up Jews, dragging Latinos to jail for deportation, banning Islam... whatever.
The recent kerfuffle re IVF struck me. People, many of them, who oppose abortion defended IVF. How? A means-ends pitfall, no? A child born as result of…
Impressive comments. I'm impressed, at least. Societies don't go from 30 MPH to over 100 in seconds - rounding up Jews, dragging Latinos to jail for deportation, banning Islam... whatever.
The recent kerfuffle re IVF struck me. People, many of them, who oppose abortion defended IVF. How? A means-ends pitfall, no? A child born as result of IVF is good therefore...
I don't "buy" Brian's simple tests.
I use a simple test. What does the Church say? I can't figure it all out on my own.
Many people oppose *mid- to late-term abortion* because the fetus is clearly sentient, and have good reason to think this doesn't apply to IVF. Moral status at birth may not be the best position, but that doesn't mean the most reasonable alternative is ensoulment at fertilization.
What is reasonable is what is accepted. I was citing it as an example of Bryan's "substituting moral reasoning" (hard) with norms (easy). To the extent many folks engaged in reasoning, they tended to end up with a means-ends dilemma.
Impressive comments. I'm impressed, at least. Societies don't go from 30 MPH to over 100 in seconds - rounding up Jews, dragging Latinos to jail for deportation, banning Islam... whatever.
The recent kerfuffle re IVF struck me. People, many of them, who oppose abortion defended IVF. How? A means-ends pitfall, no? A child born as result of IVF is good therefore...
I don't "buy" Brian's simple tests.
I use a simple test. What does the Church say? I can't figure it all out on my own.
Many people oppose *mid- to late-term abortion* because the fetus is clearly sentient, and have good reason to think this doesn't apply to IVF. Moral status at birth may not be the best position, but that doesn't mean the most reasonable alternative is ensoulment at fertilization.
What is reasonable is what is accepted. I was citing it as an example of Bryan's "substituting moral reasoning" (hard) with norms (easy). To the extent many folks engaged in reasoning, they tended to end up with a means-ends dilemma.