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forumposter123@protonmail.com's avatar

What's your plan for launching the military coup necessary to turn America into a dictorial petro state? Which is the only possible way we are getting UAE outcomes.

What are the potential downsides of converting America into a narrow dictatorship?

Is the context of the UAE and the context of America analogous? What are some of the differences between the two societies?

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myst_05's avatar

This too is a false dichotomy! You don’t need to be a dictatorship to support a Dubai like immigration policy! We should definitely ensure that any workers who want to go home are able to do so, including a program paying for people’s airplane tickets in case they’re left stranded or need to escape their employer. But there’s no law of nature saying you must grant Permanent Residency to immigrants!

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forumposter123@protonmail.com's avatar

Which large democracies do you know of that have run a UAE style immigration system?

If its a false dichotomy, surely you can point to some sizable empirical examples.

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myst_05's avatar

Courtesy of Claude 3.6, ranking countries by following criteria:

1. De facto temporary status with minimal/no path to long-term residency (whether legal or tolerated)

2. High financial barriers to family reunification

3. Wage discrimination legalized/tolerated

4. Limited labor rights compared to citizens

5. Restricted access to healthcare and social services

6. Easy for employers to bring in large numbers of temporary workers

7. Restricted political expression for migrants

8. Highly efficient deportation mechanisms

9. Limited access to public education for workers' children

SOUTH KOREA

- ✓ Temporary status: EPS workers limited to maximum 4+4.5 years then must leave for 3+ months

- ✓ Family reunification barriers: EPS workers cannot bring family regardless of income

- ½ Wage discrimination: Equal pay laws exist but enforcement gaps create nationality-based disparities

- ½ Limited labor rights: Restricted ability to change employers; practical barriers to unionization

- ½ Restricted healthcare access: National insurance required but barriers in usage and coverage

- ½ Employer-friendly recruitment: Quota system exists but with bureaucratic requirements

- ½ Political restrictions: Labor activism can affect visa status; limited tolerance for organizing

- ✓ Efficient deportation: Regular immigration crackdowns with streamlined deportation procedures

JAPAN

- ✓ Temporary status: Technical interns limited to maximum 5 years with mandatory departure

- ½ Family reunification barriers: Technical interns and many visa categories cannot bring family

- ½ Wage discrimination: Legal equality but systematic underpayment of foreign workers

- ½ Limited labor rights: Technical interns face practical barriers to exercising rights

- ½ Restricted healthcare access: Insurance required but usage barriers and exclusions exist

- ½ Political restrictions: Political activity can affect visa renewal; limited tolerance for activism

- ✓ Efficient deportation: Strict visa enforcement with limited tolerance for overstays

Small democracies that meet the criteria: Singapore, Israel, Taiwan.

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Bryan is a big fan of the UAE btw, though he doesn't quite explain why we can't copy their FULL approach and not just the 'bring tons of people' part: https://www.betonit.ai/p/reflections-on-abu-dhabi-and-dubai

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Thomas L. Knapp's avatar

There are, however, laws of nature that say if a regime restricts immigration, it is is harming its subjects, prospective immigrants, and, at least eventually, itself.

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