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"Nationalism" had very little to do with colonialism, "national self-interest" had a great deal to do with it. Very silly mistake to confuse the two.

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But can you form a concept of national self-interest without first establishing the idea of a nation?

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I think so because one can pursue the interest of people within a state without buying in to nationalist ideas

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Is it not nationalistic to look for the self-interest of a nation?

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No, because one can pursue the interest of the people of a country without also adopting nationalist theory i.e. that the boundaries of a state should be coextensive with the boundaries of an ethnic group

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Although fighting for a different rule may not be worth the bloodshed, fighting for a better rule might be a different story. And one could argue that a rule more decentralized & closer to its subjects, is more likely to be more lenient & freedom-friendly, than the governship of a distant, centralized authority.

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I am reminded of a quote by Manuel Quezon: "I prefer a government run like hell by Filipinos than a government run like heaven by Americans."

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hWhat an incredibly STUPID thing to say! And they name cities and provinces after this guy... Haaaay naku!!!

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Colonialism was bad because it drained resources from superior civilizations into money pits.

Anti-Colonialism is bad because dumb brown people are bad at running their own lives. However, it's probably unavoidable. "Better to rule in hell..."

I can buy that colonialism had a national security component when it first started.

Genocidal colonialism (North America, Australia) was a huge moral positive. But the scramble for Africa and the rest was bad.

The first world is best not having anything to do with the third world.

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I'd qualify that a bit, from a pacifist perspective.

Fighting wars to start colonial rule was a monstrous crime – fighting wars to end colonial rule was (in nearly all cases) a terrible (but understandable) mistake. The imperialists went away in the end, and the successor regimes were on average better than in the countries which won wars of national liberation

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What alternative to nationalism is being impliedly put forward?Anarchy? Internationalism? Individualism?

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